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Carlo

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Re: [2018-19] Landsknecht champion in Tourmanent, Red Avatar business
« Antwort #15 am: 17. August 2018, 18:18:16 »
I think it would be great if we had a champion at that tournament as it could be quite fun.

to all the ideas.
I like the give it to the weakest camp or the camp with the fewest eggs the most. To make it a bit more open we could say that we will escort the egg and want to give it personally to the avatar. That could create quite a show.

Sell it / licit / auction etc.
This makes ingame a lot of sense but it will be difficult to convince the red avatar. Offgame it doesn't make that much sense to me. It will create not that much play as probably only a few people from each camp will come for the auction. Further more it takes up a lot of daytime that we normally need to fight or get contracts. Lat but not least we get only some copper for it. Copper is nice but in won't be that much and it will be low in relations to what prices are for cookies and pictures after we split it up.


King of the hill
Sounds interesting but I'm not really a fan of wining a tournament to host an other tournament with the same price.

Donating to the Temple
If we do that then we should designate it to something. Not that we actually will get that just so we don't give it away for free.


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Re: [2018-19] Landsknecht champion in Tourmanent, Red Avatar business
« Antwort #16 am: 17. August 2018, 18:42:13 »
Generally, Klara likes money, but as others said, it won't be that much fun to sell the egg. So we need something that gives us reputation.

Id' love to see, how we select a champion in our camp, this would give us many possibilities and play and fun to the whole camp.

I also don't think "King of the hill" makes sense, as it's the same as the championship itself. We also shouldn't give it to the camp who hires us for the final battle, as then they would most likely win, which would also be a bit boring. So it would be more interesting for everyone to give it to the camp with least eggs.

What are the rules for the dragon temple? Could anyone get in there and get the egg? Sounds fair, but not specially fun.

I like the idea, that also the orcs have a chance. But how combine this with reputation for us?

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Re: [2018-19] Landsknecht champion in Tourmanent, Red Avatar business
« Antwort #17 am: 17. August 2018, 19:08:39 »
The Question with the orcs (or dwarves?) is, how they could use/move an egg. I Think there are quite some rules concerning the dragon eggs. Same problem with us keeping it, don't know if this is possible.
ANd yes the Red Avatar is quite firm with his belives, but he is also an SL and I trust he can see a chnace of play for many. So if we have decided for what we think is the most fun to us and others, we can think of a way, presenting it a way he could accept.

But just gifting it to someone is quite lame, We need to get something back. But there have been some ideas around. Maybe there are some more. It may depend on whom to offer the egg. It might be a desicion by the Orbist? Or the Champion?
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Re: [2018-19] Landsknecht champion in Tourmanent, Red Avatar business
« Antwort #18 am: 18. August 2018, 16:32:03 »
Some of the facts, that apply in this case:

1.) The Red Avatar hosts the champions tournament, its a competition in his name and he is in the jury. He is donating the price, the dragon egg, I assume (but... I'm not quite sure about this). Therefore its important to gain his interest, so we have a chance to attend the tournament.

2.) We cannot move a Dragonegg, in no case. If someone receives a Dragonegg, outside from a camp, it doesn't disappears. But, you need a Dragonark to move this thing, and you can only have a Dragonark, when you build a ritual place. Dragonarks cannot be borrowed, stolen or whatever. The rules about Dragoneggs are quite extensive, here they are in full length: http://www.drachenfest-larp.info/media/Siegbedingungen_de_en.pdf  (the english part is heavily shortened)

3.) The temple donates every day (including wednesday) a Dragonegg to the camp, which cares the most about their shrine. If we give the Dragonegg to the temple, the temple can double it's own reward on saturday. We should talk with someone from the temple, if this is a valid possibility.
Source: http://www.drachenfest.info/forum/index.php?topic=44056.msg1374287#msg1374287

From my perspective we don't have many options to handle a Dragonegg. It's just about donating to another camp or, maybe, donating to the temple.
I would prefer the temple solution, furthermore I like the the idea, to have a own Landsknecht shrine in the temple. Bauprojekt? :)


This whole stuff can give us a stronger connection to the whole Drachenfest idea itself, what I would welcome. Besides, it gives us a reason to hold a tournament in our camp, to determine our champion (even if I don't like the term in its use at the DF). Sounds fun. :)
« Letzte Änderung: 18. August 2018, 16:34:20 von Hubert »

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Re: [2018-19] Landsknecht champion in Tourmanent, Red Avatar business
« Antwort #19 am: 18. August 2018, 17:20:43 »
I do like the Idea a lot, the problem is that if they let us join the tournament, we will create a precedent (Präzedenzfall), so that other Non-Dragon camps like the dwarfs or the Karawanserey could say "Hey, if they're allowed to join, why aren't we?"..
But like we say in germany "asking is free" :D I just think that, even if the red avatar (or the SL behind him) is in favour of us joining Ingame, he or others might not out of game.
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Re: [2018-19] Landsknecht champion in Tourmanent, Red Avatar business
« Antwort #20 am: 19. August 2018, 01:48:26 »
The precedent is already there, I've heard in the Temple that there was a year when the Red Avatar allowed the Orcs to attend the tournament (this was the spark that started the idea.)

Thank you, Hubert for the facts, I was not aware of that daily donation from the Temple towards the camps.

Having a LKL Dragonark seems like a good idea, because this allows us to have more exquisite contracts about stealing eggs, ambushing other teams who carry eggs and so on.

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Re: [2018-19] Landsknecht champion in Tourmanent, Red Avatar business
« Antwort #21 am: 19. August 2018, 11:20:35 »

Having a LKL Dragonark seems like a good idea, because this allows us to have more exquisite contracts about stealing eggs, ambushing other teams who carry eggs and so on.
Well I don't think that Hubert meant that we should get a Dragonark as we would need a ritual place for that and that could be a first step into becoming a dragon camp.
I personally don't like the idea of LKL stealing a eggs as it involves stealth and I don't want us doing this sort of contracts. We can win one in combat or ambush the carriers but for that we don't need an ark the contractor can give us theirs with a team.
Also we do already get contracts involving dragon eggs. At least there was once a contract were we had to camp in  front of copper and look that they won't get any more eggs into their camp. We may or may not have mistook their ram for a Dragonark in the process but that doesn't matter.
This year we also chased a dragonark.
The problem with this kind of work is that we are to slow for that. I don't mean necessarily on the field but we normally need some time to find people which makes a short notice contract difficult.


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Re: [2018-19] Landsknecht champion in Tourmanent, Red Avatar business
« Antwort #22 am: 19. August 2018, 11:50:59 »
I also think that its a bad idea for us to get a dragonark, but to throw in a new idea:
How about we sell sponsorship for our champion, a bit like the blue camp did once to pay us for the final battle. The difference would be that the one who sells those shares takes notes witch camp bought the most, and i case our champion wins the camp that invested the most money gets the egg.

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Re: [2018-19] Landsknecht champion in Tourmanent, Red Avatar business
« Antwort #23 am: 19. August 2018, 15:25:06 »
Only the competing camps can have a Dragonark, including Avatar, banner, ritual place, etc. pp. That's not what we want. ;)
Competing camps are: all dragons and chaos / the neverending change (how do they translate the new name?). Only this camps can handle Dragoneggs and win the DF.

The precedent is already there, I've heard in the Temple that there was a year when the Red Avatar allowed the Orcs to attend the tournament (this was the spark that started the idea.)
The Orcs once were part of the competition, with Avatar, banner, the whole stuff. They won the competition in 2004, the following DF 2006 (the DF paused the year in between) was inofficially called "Urukfest". Their status changed 2008 or 2009, I'm not sure. It's a long story, why they don't wanted to compete anymore, it doesn't fit in here.

Fun fact: back in 2004 there was a mercenaries camp, as a part of the competition, too. They sold their Avatar right after the start of the game. ;)
« Letzte Änderung: 19. August 2018, 15:30:44 von Hubert »

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Re: [2018-19] Landsknecht champion in Tourmanent, Red Avatar business
« Antwort #24 am: 19. August 2018, 15:30:30 »
(...) I like the the idea, to have a own Landsknecht shrine in the temple. Bauprojekt? :)
I remember a bad story about Laslo spending hours to build something for the temple, so I would not build anything for them. Just donating the egg and maybe placing something from us in the themple, that we already have or can do easily.


Having a LKL Dragonark seems like a good idea, because this allows us to have more exquisite contracts about stealing eggs, ambushing other teams who carry eggs and so on.
Well I don't think that Hubert meant that we should get a Dragonark as we would need a ritual place for that and that could be a first step into becoming a dragon camp.
Jep.

How about we sell sponsorship for our champion, a bit like the blue camp did once to pay us for the final battle. The difference would be that the one who sells those shares takes notes witch camp bought the most, and i case our champion wins the camp that invested the most money gets the egg.
If you are talking about 3 or 4 years ago, that wasn't sponsorship, that was Jette who hired us personally for the final battle.
But to gain more reputation, I'd say we should involve the important people, as Avatars or Heerführer and not those who have the most money personally.
« Letzte Änderung: 19. August 2018, 17:09:59 von Garfield »

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Re: [2018-19] Landsknecht champion in Tourmanent, Red Avatar business
« Antwort #25 am: 19. August 2018, 15:32:11 »
(...) I like the the idea, to have a own Landsknecht shrine in the temple. Bauprojekt? :)
I remember a bad story about Laslo spending hours to build something for the temple, so I would not bouild anything for them. Just donating the egg and maybe placing something from us in the themple, that we already have or can do easily.
I had a shrine in mind, not a lighthouse like the thing from Laslo! :D

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Re: [2018-19] Landsknecht champion in Tourmanent, Red Avatar business
« Antwort #26 am: 19. August 2018, 17:48:45 »
If you are talking about 3 or 4 years ago, that wasn't sponsorship, that was Jette who hired us personally for the final battle.
But to gain more reputation, I'd say we should involve the important people, as Avatars or Heerführer and not those who have the most money personally.

I think he ment the "Kriegsanleihen" that the blue camp sold to raise money to buy our camp. Very lovely little cards, I had one on my old Baret.
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Re: [2018-19] Landsknecht champion in Tourmanent, Red Avatar business
« Antwort #27 am: 20. August 2018, 08:39:02 »
I only Support the idea of Eik. We hold it for the offers of the end battle, maybe some camps get information "who will book the landsknecht for the end battle will get an Dragon egg". Maybe the offers will be bigger again and all of the camps don't know which camp had offered the best quotation. Maybe they push their offers.

We will bring the egg with the box and the People who can Transport the eggs from the red Avatar under the oberist tent and will stock it till the end battle. We have no People who can Transport this egg, no normal human can Transport this.

But i think to hold it longer is a Point, when someone heard that we have an egg, maybe some other camp will fight against us because of the egg or will storm in our camp and i don't know that will give the right playing for the DF?

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« Letzte Änderung: 20. August 2018, 08:41:01 von marius_michael »
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Re: [2018-19] Landsknecht champion in Tourmanent, Red Avatar business
« Antwort #28 am: 20. August 2018, 10:20:54 »
(...) I like the the idea, to have a own Landsknecht shrine in the temple. Bauprojekt? :)
I remember a bad story about Laslo spending hours to build something for the temple, so I would not bouild anything for them. Just donating the egg and maybe placing something from us in the themple, that we already have or can do easily.
I had a shrine in mind, not a lighthouse like the thing from Laslo! :D
Okay  ;D

@Marius Michael: We have no "Kampfplatz", so big battles are not allowed in our camp (only small battles). And I think, there are special requirements to keep an egg in the camp, which we also don't have. So only possibility would be to help a camp to get the egg in their camp.

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Re: [2018-19] Landsknecht champion in Tourmanent, Red Avatar business
« Antwort #29 am: 20. August 2018, 11:41:50 »
Because the Kampfplatz....that hadn't interest any orks in last years, they Charge our camp.
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